Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Dane's avatar

538, polls, and betting markets aren't competitors and you shouldn't frame it as such. Polls-> 538 -> markets are a stack. They are built on top of each other and add additional information at each layer. Each layer *should* be better than the lower levels. If you want to compare, you should compare value-add. I suspect the markets are the least valuable. And calibration across states in one election is not sufficient for any judgment due to correlated errors across states. Markets would be very very bad without polls or models.

Expand full comment
Travis Lake's avatar

Two key points i would add: 1) you are only looking at ex-post calibration for a single election with a strong common component (GOP outperformed polls). In other elections (eg 2012) Dems outpeformed polls. 538 has done analysis across all their predictions in many cycles and shown they are at least unconditionally well calibrated. 2) I've bet on differences between 538 and betting markets in 538s direction for three straight cycles and its been profitable each time. Eg 538 was more bullish on Trump than betting markets in 16. Small sample of course but still.

Expand full comment
3 more comments...

No posts